I saw that interview during my Ginger Baker YouTube surfing excursion. That exchange was hilarious, although he actually did show off some pretty cool riffs based on the rudiments. The only problem was that the interviewer clearly wasn’t a drummer, and asked a few overly simplistic questions. Amazing that Baker tolerated him, since he is well known for giving journalists a hard time (as he did during an interview I conducted with him back in the ’80s, the details of which will remain under wraps ... at least for now!).